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	<title>Comments on: Virgin prepares to offer Sky discounts</title>
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		<title>By: Martin Garside</title>
		<link>http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2007/02/23/virgin-prepares-to-offer-sky-discounts/comment-page-1/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Garside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Losing Sky one is to me like not having BBC1 or ITV1. As far as I am concerned I would pay a premium to keep this channel, but has any one from Virgin asked me. NO THEY HAVE NOT. It&#039;s a shame as Virgin offer a great value service with their TV Drive package. I have all the channels + Broadband and my home phone with them. Sadlly I am left with no alternative but to jump ship and will be doing so as soon as I can, but not from choice. Jumping ship will leave a bad taste in my mouth as I believe that Sky will dominate the market soon and will be targeting the Digibox next and we will end up with a poor high cost service in a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Losing Sky one is to me like not having BBC1 or ITV1. As far as I am concerned I would pay a premium to keep this channel, but has any one from Virgin asked me. NO THEY HAVE NOT. It&#8217;s a shame as Virgin offer a great value service with their TV Drive package. I have all the channels + Broadband and my home phone with them. Sadlly I am left with no alternative but to jump ship and will be doing so as soon as I can, but not from choice. Jumping ship will leave a bad taste in my mouth as I believe that Sky will dominate the market soon and will be targeting the Digibox next and we will end up with a poor high cost service in a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2007/02/23/virgin-prepares-to-offer-sky-discounts/comment-page-1/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 06:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for &quot;NTL&quot; as a network engineer, there is no traffic shaping going on. I don&#039;t think that term means what you think that means! Traffic shaping itself also would have nothing to do with a download quota. Completely different things mate. Neither are in effect because it would be bloody impossible to do it for one user out of a network!

There are no limits on the amount you download, it simply doesn&#039;t work that way with our system. There is &quot;fair usage&quot; but this is 10 Gb a day. Put bluntly if you haven&#039;t got a letter through about fair usage you&#039;re not affected.

I suggest you give them a ring and ask what the deal is on your UBR if the service isn&#039;t top notch. With millions of accounts we can&#039;t really enforce &quot;Traffic shaping&quot; nor limit an individual&#039;s connection since everyone in your area is off the same UBR.

Just letting you know like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for &#8220;NTL&#8221; as a network engineer, there is no traffic shaping going on. I don&#8217;t think that term means what you think that means! Traffic shaping itself also would have nothing to do with a download quota. Completely different things mate. Neither are in effect because it would be bloody impossible to do it for one user out of a network!</p>
<p>There are no limits on the amount you download, it simply doesn&#8217;t work that way with our system. There is &#8220;fair usage&#8221; but this is 10 Gb a day. Put bluntly if you haven&#8217;t got a letter through about fair usage you&#8217;re not affected.</p>
<p>I suggest you give them a ring and ask what the deal is on your UBR if the service isn&#8217;t top notch. With millions of accounts we can&#8217;t really enforce &#8220;Traffic shaping&#8221; nor limit an individual&#8217;s connection since everyone in your area is off the same UBR.</p>
<p>Just letting you know like.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been an NTL internet customer for many years, since the launch and also a Sky subscriber since about 1995. I have no sympathy for NTL when I look at the fact that they secretly started traffic shaping peoples internet and telling people that they can only download so much per month then have the cheek to still sell the internet as Unlimited. Look at the new VM adverts it says UNLIMITED, yet more lies to the customers, what goes around comes around!. They don&#039;t like it when the shoe is on the other foot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been an NTL internet customer for many years, since the launch and also a Sky subscriber since about 1995. I have no sympathy for NTL when I look at the fact that they secretly started traffic shaping peoples internet and telling people that they can only download so much per month then have the cheek to still sell the internet as Unlimited. Look at the new VM adverts it says UNLIMITED, yet more lies to the customers, what goes around comes around!. They don&#8217;t like it when the shoe is on the other foot.</p>
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